Hi,
Am I right in thinking that The Dark Mod (TDM) uses ID4..?
I've spent a few hundred hours in Dark Radiant (DR) and made a few levels (totally ignored because I guess I ought to have posted them as .pk4 rather than as .map code for testing)
Anything I can't figure out by myself... I just look for, but I can't figure a few things and these things are, apparently, "above their paygrade".
All I'm looking for, really - is to ask the occasional question - most of the stuff I'm trying to do hasn't been in any TDM level and I've had to use wayback machine to access forum posts in order to figure it out.
Am I in the right place to search for scripts and the like? Not stealing anything - just looking for info.
Cheers,
Pete.
TDM was based on Doom 3 but now that it's stand alone it's based on the D3 GPL code.
Thanks for the prompt reply, Happy Friar.
Wow - minus 5 Karma already... That was quick smiting.
Looks like either some people followed me here, to smite me because they can't damage my rep any further on the TDM forums...
Or, I'm just not gonna be welcome here.
Message received and understood - thanks anyway.
I'll not bother you again.
Regardless of whatever the story might be behind this topic/user... Friar I think it's safe to say that this forum's "Karma System" is beyond useless in every sense of the word and I think you should remove/disable it...
If it's useless, why do you have people bump up yours to be positive, @oneofthe8devilz ?
Quote from: teh_saccade on August 01, 2016, 03:55:42 PM
Wow - minus 5 Karma already... That was quick smiting.
Dude, why do you care ?! If people helping you out, who cares what your carma/stars/rating is.
Quote from: motorsep on August 01, 2016, 04:48:03 PM
If it's useless, why do you have people bump up yours to be positive, @oneofthe8devilz ?
Yeah right... I "command" my "worshipers" to up-vote me just to have the Karma System removed in the next moment... what a flawed logic ::)
From the looks of a quick investigation it seems more like it is
you who is actually subject of multiple manipulation disputes on the internet/steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/noxteryn/recommended/96200/
So I guess it takes one to know one :)
God must it be painful not being able to simply delete those reviews/statements about you and your "games" being publicly visible to literally everyone on steam ;D
This deals more damage and punishment to you in a day than I could personally do to you in a year 8)
There ya go, gave ya a Karma. I never even noticed those buttons there, I'll have to run some tests to see how many of these one can give out. I thought it was some sort of automatic system, or like, a eldritch abomination, judging you from behind the curtain of reality.
Anyway, whether teh_saccade returns, I'll just say this for anyone in the same situation: if you have a question, just ask - worst case, you're back where you started. I've found a lot of folks around here are very helpful and knowledgeable, even if everyone doesn't get along, it's still a nice community.
As ridiculous as it may seem... I have now witnessed multiple people getting discouraged by this pointless karma system. I remember the user zombie having returned to this page after quite a long abstinence just to delete his username/account again shortly after from this site... after receiving multiple negative karma points... after showcasing some of his latest work...
All I have seen that this karma system does, is to keep potentially talented people like zombie away and it is not like we have a huge community to pick from nowadays and so every loss is one too much, especially if it is because of such a pointless and easily avoidable system.
Just because you and I give a shit about it doesn't mean that others do too... so why not simply eliminating a potential cause of user loss ?
I don't care - but it is like walking into a room and 5 people turning their backs on you immediately for asking, "hey, I know it is ID4, but what...? oh, is D3 GPL since standalone - thanks - they don't even know that... doesn't say on their wiki - even one of the forum admins didn't know".
The mods at that forum admit - they do not know any script, which is why they cannot help me - I am doing new things they did not think of because - they do not know...
It is nothing to do with "points" or "flawed logic" - it is to do with being made to feel welcome to a new community.
Which I do not.
So congrats on building a great and welcoming community. It was a big surprise after such a prompt and direct response to the question I posed.
My introduction was "five people don't like you already and one user has made sarcastic comments at you for saying hello and thank you to founding member".
AFAIK - I arrive, 5 ppl say piss off straight away for saying hello - that is what the karma system did when I returned to post my findings, today.
Which I deleted after a few moments of consideration.
I don't ask questions often - I seek answers. If I can't find answers, then I ask. Else why would I be here..?
No-one at TDM could answer for months. So I look to old guard and find instantly by asking.
I found the answers I needed elsewhere - idevnet and modsonline were very helpful with scripting error I had made and didn't see.
Today I learn - 6 people smite me, 1 person pity me. Great. Good job.
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Will be looking for that delete account button mentioned.
Quote from: oneofthe8devilz on August 01, 2016, 04:35:14 PM
Regardless of whatever the story might be behind this topic/user... Friar I think it's safe to say that this forum's "Karma System" is beyond useless in every sense of the word and I think you should remove/disable it...
it's so useless I don't want to spend time trying to figure out how to disable it. :) I ignore it. I found that pretty easy to do.
Quote from: teh_saccade on August 01, 2016, 07:11:38 PM
I don't care - but it is like walking into a room and 5 people turning their backs on you immediately for asking, "hey, I know it is ID4, but what...? oh, is D3 GPL since standalone - thanks - they don't even know that... doesn't say on their wiki - even one of the forum admins didn't know".
I went to their download page. Says right on the top.
Quote from: motorsep on August 01, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
Quote from: teh_saccade on August 01, 2016, 03:55:42 PM
Wow - minus 5 Karma already... That was quick smiting.
Dude, why do you care ?! If people helping you out, who cares what your carma/stars/rating is.
I'm agreeing with motorsep that is new, but yes teh_saccade forget the carma points everyone here including me have negative points, don't take that so seriously.
Btw i have mapped for TDM as well and some things on TDM are different from Doom3 but not that different that learning one will make you bad on another, for the contrary learning here will help you for TDM and learning on the TDM wiki will help you on Doom 3 modding, they share many of the tutorials.
This link is also very usefull.
https://modwiki.xnet.fi/Doom_3 (https://modwiki.xnet.fi/Doom_3)
Quote from: teh_saccade on August 01, 2016, 07:11:38 PM
...Today I learn - 6 people smite me, 1 person pity me. Great. Good job.
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Will be looking for that delete account button mentioned.
Now you are being unreasonable, even after other users including me, asked you to ignore the carma points and even helped you with your question, you come and play the hurted one.
I'm sorry to say but is sad if some lousy negative carma points are enough to make you go way felling hurt.
And this thread and your reaction to the useless carma points is really "Déjà vu", i recall another user having the exact same reaction, makes you wonder...
Quote from: The Happy Friar on August 01, 2016, 07:46:22 PM
Quote from: oneofthe8devilz on August 01, 2016, 04:35:14 PM
Regardless of whatever the story might be behind this topic/user... Friar I think it's safe to say that this forum's "Karma System" is beyond useless in every sense of the word and I think you should remove/disable it...
it's so useless I don't want to spend time trying to figure out how to disable it. :) I ignore it. I found that pretty easy to do.
That's nice for you, but as oneofthe8devilz pointed out apparently some people do mind and feel unwelcome if they get negative karma, especially after only a few posts. Now the second newcomer left because of it.
Please disable it, it's not useful at all, but a great tool to anonymously bully people. (And the atmosphere is negative enough already with motorsep and oneofthe8devilz dissing each other all the time.)
Everybody give me bad karma so I can whine and quit coming here too.
Quote from: oneofthe8devilz on August 01, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Yeah right... I "command" my "worshipers" to up-vote me just to have the Karma System removed in the next moment... what a flawed logic ::)
From the looks of a quick investigation it seems more like it is you who is actually subject of multiple manipulation disputes on the internet/steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/noxteryn/recommended/96200/
God must it be painful not being able to simply delete those reviews/statements about you and your "games" being publicly visible to literally everyone on steam ;D
This deals more damage and punishment to you in a day than I could personally do to you in a year 8)
Everyone manipulates reviews. Some to the point of paying large sums of money. Bad publicity is better than none :) People with leveled head can make up their opinion about the product regardless of reviews. So, don't really care about ratings and reviews. I personally play games for games, even if developers are surrounded by controversy (that's if I like their game).
My game is still selling, 5 years later, despite those mofos trying to bring it down. So technically it's a free advertising I still get ;)
Quote from: oneofthe8devilz on August 01, 2016, 06:18:53 PM
As ridiculous as it may seem... I have now witnessed multiple people getting discouraged by this pointless karma system. I remember the user zombie having returned to this page after quite a long abstinence just to delete his username/account again shortly after from this site... after receiving multiple negative karma points... after showcasing some of his latest work...
Meh, sounds like someone has thin skin. He could have just keep showing his stuff, since people positively commented on his work. I guess some creative spirits are too sensitive.
Quote from: teh_saccade on August 01, 2016, 07:11:38 PM
No-one at TDM could answer for months. So I look to old guard and find instantly by asking.
That's puzzling. Either TDM has been falling apart or something else is going on. I know I got answers (to some question) there and they weren't even TDM but about Doom 3. Really odd.
If anyone thinks this or the TDM community is rotten, then they don't remember how things were with www.doom3world.org, because this was back in the day when some people honestly believed they were going to become famous and rich by using idTech4 to create a project. Some folks were outright vicious about it. The TDM community seems fine to me, they even allow posts that have almost nothing to do with TDM itself but more orientated around DarkRadiant for other projects. Back when 'BNA!' was running things, it was extremely difficult to get a project cooking because you would be accused of stealing content or using the alpha leak and a thief or ripping off someone's ideas or using too many triangles or whatever excuse to undermine and pull the rug from beneath a project. The moment you try to defend yourself against accusations it was a downward spiral of off-topic flamewars and personal attacks. It was really terrible and I'm actually glad to have watched it die, and the fact that it was abandoned like that says a lot about the folks behind the curtains. Such an elitist community for this technology can't really exist now, I think. These days I think everyone would be happy enough just to see anything exciting at all and folks would be encouraged for it.
The only problem that this community faces is that when it's not completely silent, it's because oneofthe8devilz is dashing from the shrubbery to clobber Motorsep over the head at every opportunity.
Something like a karma system might be good in some "community gallery" scenario, where higher rated screenshots/videos get automatically bumped, but trying to rate users themselves is fundamentally idiotic, because people hate others automatically for all kinds of reasons, such as my obnoxious-looking clown avatar over there, it seems to have a strange effect on how people read what I type. I've tested this by using different avatars and I'm certain there is an effect on perception. Maybe if I had some little Anime girl avatar then people would automatically think I'm innocent and cute, and dive over to their keyboards to help me with any technical issues because there's a chance I might actually be a young female and knock on their door one day, looking exactly like a cute little Anime girl, and say thank you by dropping to my knees and getting my tiny 2-frame lip animations busy.
Quote from: The Happy Friar on August 01, 2016, 07:46:22 PM
I went to their download page. Says right on the top.
If it is - it is only because you told me, who then told an admin - I can't see it.
Quote from: teh_saccade on August 02, 2016, 04:43:11 PM
Quote from: The Happy Friar on August 01, 2016, 07:46:22 PM
I went to their download page. Says right on the top.
If it is - it is only because you told me, who then told an admin - I can't see it.
http://www.thedarkmod.com/download-the-mod/ >>>> "The Dark Mod can be installed in Windows and Linux.
You no longer need Doom3 to install or play TDM."
It doesn't say that it uses GPL Doom 3 engine or id Tech 4, but when you download it and install it, I assume it's there in the readme or something (or license file).
Yeah, I was confused by carma points, too.
I've learned to ignore it once VGames told me that sometimes he just runs through the forums giving random people negative karma for no reason :D
Quote from: 0x29a on August 07, 2016, 07:04:33 PM
Yeah, I was confused by carma points, too.
I've learned to ignore it once VGames told me that sometimes he just runs through the forums giving random people negative karma for no reason :D
Quiet you!!
Sorry, a question about topic:
How was implemented the effect of being in the shadow in TDM?
Is it some kind of volumes or areas (common textures)?
Thanks.
The Light Gem?
One of the early TDM developers found that they could output a screen-capture to memory then
use extensions to the SDK game code to analyze it and use it for a visibility system.
Here is an old explanation:
https://modwiki.xnet.fi/Rendering_with_the_D3_renderengine
I find that really amazing, considering the engine actually does true shadow volumes in which other volumes can exist (something some other more "advanced" engines can't do), when compared with the approach of analysing a screencap, if not every frame then at least often enough to be responsive, and the inaccuracy and overhead that must imply. I'm not saying it actually is laggy and inaccurate in practice, just that the theory sounds like it would imply that. It seems a lot more intuitive to just calculate the properties of the volume(s) in which an object is located.
We also have a simpler math based approach. tdm_lg_weak cvar.
The current (heavy) implementation gathers not only the shadow locations but also
the amount of light produced by the light projection\falloff textures on the player.
It has been speculated that we could improve things by sampling all these textures into low resolution tables then
using that data rather than the more expensive capture\decode operations but this hasn't been tried yet (lots of conversion work).
Quote from: nbohr1more on August 08, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
One of the early TDM developers found that they could output a screen-capture to memory then
use extensions to the SDK game code to analyze it and use it for a visibility system.
Do you analyse a brightness of player's environment (pixels in HUD area which was captured from screen)?
E.g. "IF (RGB) around my cursor are (x, y, z) THEN I still in the shadow"?
*************** udp *******************
Not so fast with shadow volumes
QuoteThis fully realtime approach used in Doom 3, combined with the use of shadow volumes permitted more realistic lighting and shadows than in the previous generation of id's engines. The method used to create the shadow volumes is the subject of a patent by Creative, which Creative granted id permission to use in the Doom 3 engine, in exchange for supporting Creative's EAX advanced sound technologies.
Is GPL D3/D3BFG contains a console commands/cvars/scripts to work with shadow volume?