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Title: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 02, 2016, 10:20:18 AM
I'm finally ordering my new GPU and Doom today. Should be in by Monday. Is there anything I should know about the game before I start? Like I've heard here about corrupted saved games and an issue with developer mode and the cloud? Any tips would be nice.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: oneofthe8devilz on June 02, 2016, 12:20:27 PM
Depending on your internet speed maybe you should start downloading on time in order to not end up waiting like other users here...
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 02, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Well I want a hard copy so I'll be waiting too. I'm dreading it because my net connection sucks.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on June 02, 2016, 12:26:08 PM
Quote from: VGames on June 02, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Well I want a hard copy so I'll be waiting too. I'm dreading it because my net connection sucks.

There is no hard copy. You'll still have to download almost whole game through Steam, even if you buy it on the disk.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 02, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
Yeah I know. But I want a hard copy. A box. A disc. To add to my shelf.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 02, 2016, 09:49:51 PM
It's all been ordered. Should be here Monday. Will take a while to download so not sure if I'll get to play it Monday. But next week for sure.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: The Happy Friar on June 03, 2016, 07:45:24 AM
@ 45gb to download, you might not get to play monday.  :)

Every time I exit the game I copy my savegame folder (c:\users\username\saved games\id software\doom\base\savegame) to another folder, just in case.  I have two copies so if one is corrupted and I don't know I can revert to an older one.

Validate your steam cache for the game BEFORE you play the first time.  So yes, you download the game, then have it check & possibly redownload again.  :)

Disable the steam cloud for that game.  You will still get achivements & be able to upload your screenshots, but it's a PITA with the savegame corruption & crashes.

Besides that, have fun.  :)  It's a lot of fun to kill demons in this game.  :)
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 03, 2016, 08:00:12 AM
U know I love killing demons.  ;D

I'll do all those. Probably not the check cache tip though if I'm being honest. I think I'll be way to excited. And I rarely have issues with my games like that. Is Doom more prone to getting corrupted?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on June 03, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
I put in 23 hrs into the game and never had issues with save games.

The only issue I had was freezing when loading first Hello level. Solved it by switching into windowed mode, loading the map, reaching first checkpoint and then switching back to full screen mode.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 03, 2016, 08:56:54 AM
GPU issue?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on June 03, 2016, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: VGames on June 03, 2016, 08:56:54 AM
GPU issue?

No idea. Apparently I am not the only one who had that issue (Googled it).

Could be just slow CPU/RAM coupled with intense effects and massive horde of demons (I had slo-mo going on before Hell was loaded). Could be engine's / game's bug.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: bkt on June 03, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
Friar's issues are properly unfortunate and I'd suggest bucking the trend.

On a relatively high end PC I've had zero crashes/major issues after 30 hours.  That's on a PC with a faulty CPU that will hard freeze in every single game (eventually), except Doom, funnily enough.  So I'd have to echo the polar opposite of Friars issues, the game runs buttery smooth on both my work and home PC's.

The one thing I would mention though is that all of your settings are saved on steamcloud.  This includes graphics settings, so it's a pain in the ass to go between my home and work PC's as the work one has less VRAM (lower Virtual Texture size) and runs a different aspect ratio to my home PC. 

Other than that, I imagine if you're running on modern hardware, you'll be fine.  If not, you may have issues.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 03, 2016, 11:24:50 AM
After I get my new GPU my specs will be:

Phenom II X4 940 3ghz
8 gigs ddr2
GeForce gtx 960 4 ghz

My processor and ram will be my worst problem but I think I'll be ok. Couldn't be any worse then playing Fallout 4 right now. I'll do everything Friar said except for the check cache. I can't wait another day if it needs to be downloaded again.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: The Happy Friar on June 03, 2016, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: bkt on June 03, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
Friar's issues are properly unfortunate and I'd suggest bucking the trend.

Happens to a lot of people so far & according to the crash reports (not related to the dev mode bug, officially), it seems to happen on Win 7/8/10, AMD & Nvidia GPU's, various amounts of RAM.

I haven't had the game crash in several days until yesterday.  I'm thinking the crashes are a driver issue (both Nvidia & AMD released drivers just for this game and some people even report those breaking the game) & I think the dev mode bug are due to the drm & resource files.  The biggest issue with the dev mode bug is that once your game is flagged in dev mode you can't get achievements/upload your snapmaps until you fix it.  Seems the DRM does a checksum of the resource files/save games & if they don't match it launches the game in dev mode (for resource files) & locks your save games in dev mode (if it's the save game).

Quote from: VGames on June 03, 2016, 11:24:50 AM
After I get my new GPU my specs will be:

Phenom II X4 940 3ghz
8 gigs ddr2
GeForce gtx 960 4 ghz

Seems the GPU is the important part for this game. Your CPU is below the spec but at worst you just lower some quality to play. 
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 03, 2016, 12:34:55 PM
That's my plan.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 04, 2016, 11:33:10 PM
Wow Doom came in today. Installing already. So on Monday when my GPU is supposed to come in it'll be ready to go.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 05, 2016, 09:32:29 AM
Checking game cache. Got time to figured I should.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 06, 2016, 08:54:26 AM
Games all set to go. Loaded it up last night to make sure. Didn't try to play anything just sat and listened to the main menu music. Even the main menu had bad frame rate. LOL The mouse cursor was lagging real bad. Hilarious. GPU comes in today. So excited.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: The Happy Friar on June 06, 2016, 09:39:27 AM
Oh yeah...


I should make that a smile on the forums.  :)
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 06, 2016, 10:38:10 AM
I've seen this in a gif. So cool.

Big Hero 6!
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 06, 2016, 08:42:00 PM
Holy crap this game is freaking awesome!!! A few maps in and I love it to death!!
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on June 06, 2016, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: VGames on June 06, 2016, 08:42:00 PM
Holy crap this game is freaking awesome!!! A few maps in and I love it to death!!

Got your new GPU already?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 06, 2016, 11:31:08 PM
Heck yeah. Settings are 50% medium, 40% high, and 10% ultra. Game looks awesome and silky smooth.

Fallout 4 went from lowest settings to ultra.

Star Wars battlefront went from lowest settings to high.

Perfected Doom 3 sits at a constant 60 FPS.

Battlefield 4 went from medium to ultra quality at 60 FPS easy.

The GeForce gtx 960 4gig is a monster.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on June 06, 2016, 11:57:44 PM
Nice! Congrats!
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 07, 2016, 12:23:53 AM
Thanks man. Better then I could have ever expected. Seriously if you guys are looking for a good upgrade at a generous price get a gtx 960 4 gig. I looked long and hard into this purchase and it paid off. My crap PC is back in action. I'm ready for all the good stuff coming up this year. It will definitely hold me over till next year when I finally get that $1500 upgrade.

Even Alice Madness Returns has new life breathed into it since I can finally play it with PhysX maxed out.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: bkt on June 07, 2016, 11:58:04 AM
Give it a few years and upgrade again.  Doom, Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3 in 1440p at 60fps are all a collective something to behold  >:D
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 07, 2016, 12:23:33 PM
Nah I'm doing it next year. I'm gonna take all this hardware in my current PC and put it in another case for my son to use. He'll use my new PC too if he wants for newer games but for all the older games that are maxed out with this new GTX 960 they'll stay on his rig.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on June 07, 2016, 05:23:57 PM
Ok just to show how good this GPU is I decided to lower anti aliasing to FXAA and I set everything else to ultra quality and the game is running as smooth as butter at 1080p.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 18, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
So Doom 4 on the PC also a steam game. That is annoying how so many PC games are going that way.

I recently purchased half life 2 for modding an old released modification only to release no actual maps were released for it. But the whole steam running, installing this and that, was quite annoying.

If I ever purchase this game, it'll be for a console.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 18, 2016, 12:06:15 PM
Steam is great. All my games are in one place with all my friends and achievements safely backed up in the cloud. Enjoy your non ultra quality screen tearing romp through Hell.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 18, 2016, 12:17:53 PM
I'm focused on a little editing for Doom 3. So that is a long way off for me.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 18, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
Doom 2016 is light years ahead of Doom 3 when it comes to fun gameplay, graphics, level design, and music and sound. No reason to wait. Get it now. I beat it before the last release of my PD3 mod. So there's no excuse. It's awesome.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 18, 2016, 07:22:37 PM
Doom 3 will be fine. I'm on a 32bit windows XP Dimension 4600, plenty of examples on youtube.

I'm trying to get a new enemy in, a very small one, with three legs, Lost in space, low poly spider. I can't seem to get the bones or mesh exported without errors.

I even thought would a copy of 3D studio max 6 or 7 be worth trying to get a hold off, to do some exporting. Probably not.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 19, 2016, 09:39:38 AM
Yeah I use 3dsmax 9. Super easy to use and definitely worth it.

You couldn't run Doom 2016 on your rig anyways. You need an upgrade man.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 19, 2016, 01:09:27 PM
I have upgraded, a 2.80GHZ early generation Dual core small form factor Optiplex 780 windows 7 pro a 2009 system according to various searches, I don't like it. Better than what I'm using currently. Been using the Dimension for thirteen years now. I could use it for another year or two. Not many computer users use a system primarily for so long like that.

Of course that optiplex has developed a drive problem, but I paid £50 for it. Only the system. Better than nothing.

Could you get my mesh and skeleton to work for Doom 3? I did read that document that is loaded with the python file. It isn't working for me, the only alternative is to get somebody to do so.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 19, 2016, 05:29:14 PM
Quote from: doom3xbox on July 18, 2016, 07:22:37 PM
I'm on a 32bit windows XP Dimension 4600

I thought u had win xp?

I can look into getting the skeleton and character in game but I've never messed around with characters. I've animated weapons only. But it was pretty easy to accomplish.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 19, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
Yes I sure do, I'm switching between systems to watch blue ray eps of Enterprise that won't run on the Pentium 4 system. Until I get a keyboard I can't migrate the old software such as Doom 3, I hope it works on that.. Otherwise it'll have to remain on the 32 bit system.

Hmm, well you are my only chance for the moment. I upload a blend with four textures, hmm, but then again you are using Max. That won't work, the texturing wouldn't save as an export. Flip flops!

Unless you have used Blender?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 19, 2016, 10:34:56 PM
No not really. Get it compatible with Max and then I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 20, 2016, 08:43:15 AM
What do I need to do ? Just export it I guess, but can texturing remain with an export?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 20, 2016, 01:01:27 PM
Honestly I have no clue.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 20, 2016, 02:17:35 PM
Hmm. There has to be somebody on here to can may be do so with Blender 2.76.

Alternatively, you'd need to texture it.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 20, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
Why don't you just get a copy of 3DSMax 9? It's perfect for modding Doom 3 models and animations.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 21, 2016, 04:55:08 PM
Just for the record 9 won't work on the systems I have.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: VGames on July 22, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
Quote from: VGames on July 19, 2016, 09:39:38 AM
You need an upgrade man.

:P
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: The Happy Friar on July 22, 2016, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: doom3xbox on July 20, 2016, 02:17:35 PM
Hmm. There has to be somebody on here to can may be do so with Blender 2.76.
Alternatively, you'd need to texture it.

I think Motorsep has a blender 2.7x md5 exporter with his engine on his github page.  I just forget what that is.

What the site is, not the engine.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 23, 2016, 07:02:09 AM
I've tried three exports. There are errors to do with the bones.

It works in blender, so as for getting in a spider model with sixteen bones, and four textures, it shouldn't be that complicated, and this is a basic low poly model.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: The Happy Friar on July 24, 2016, 04:02:16 PM
The bones need to have "origin" as the first bone. That's the only bone requirement.  Every other bone should be under that.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 24, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
I named the biggest bone origin and just added that into layer 5, that did export.

As for the object, it won't export, it states there are 208 vertices that have weight deformations. I tried weight painting, painted it red, that doesn't work.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on July 24, 2016, 07:12:45 PM
That's because you are using wrong exporter. Use the one on my Github and you don't have to have bones on a specific layer.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 24, 2016, 09:17:29 PM
I tried that one codemanx in the name? 12 of september 2013?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on July 24, 2016, 11:58:41 PM
Yeah. You don't need to have bones in specific layers.

Bones can be in any Bone layer. Armature needs to be in the same scene layer as mesh. Usually in layer 1. So you select armature first, then mesh, then export it. Make sure to specify mesh name and anims you are exporting on exporter's UI.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 25, 2016, 06:44:58 AM
Well for the mesh the 208 vertices haven't been painted. I tried the weight painting red or blue.

That appears to be the problem with exporting as a mesh file. As for the animation that works, what name should I actually give it? Since this is a new custom model to go into the game.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on July 25, 2016, 08:03:32 AM
You can't have mesh without weights painted on skeletal model.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 25, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
I tried the red or blue paint. What setting must i use?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on July 25, 2016, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: doom3xbox on July 25, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
I tried the red or blue paint. What setting must i use?

I think you need to learn Blender's basics. Go to youtube and search for Blender 2.7 weight painting - plenty of tutorials. Or search for character rigging and animation in Blender 2.7
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 25, 2016, 10:12:14 AM
I know some basics. What I don't know is the weight painting.

How difficult can it be to paint over a small mesh like displayed? Surely 0.000 on the blue is non deformed weights? Or is this a mixture of red, blue and green colours or something.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on July 25, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
That's why you need to learn Blender better.

If you select you meshes, then armature and do Ctrl P, you can parent with Automatic weight. Then you can go over and tweak wrong weights. It's much easier than painting weights from scratch.

Btw, weight painting is done in Weight Pain mode.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 25, 2016, 11:12:30 AM
Sure I know where to select to activate that mode.

The armature and mesh are parented, if they are with weights, I don't remember.

It was a few months ago I made the mesh with the skeleton.

I did watch one clip on youtube, about six minutes, it is relating to a character, which is animated and the man narrating the clip he points out on the leg where it isn't smooth running when animated, it has red, blue paints. It all looks odd to me.

Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: Arl on July 25, 2016, 06:23:46 PM
The blue paint represents no weight, the red paint represent full weight.

I think you should search for video tutorials on rigging, weighting, and all that stuff, even if you think you already know that, 'cause there are a couple of things and details you are probably missing.

Once you understand completely how weighting works your struggles with Doom 3 and models will be much easier
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: The Happy Friar on July 25, 2016, 07:24:43 PM
this is how I learned blender 2.49: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro

It's been updated to later versions. I'd suggest going through that.  It helped immensely.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 26, 2016, 06:51:58 AM
Well this is the first model for Doom 3. I have used the game engine, so I recognise the weight element. But I haven't touched on the weight painting side of this.

Well, I had tried painting it all blue.

208 vertices don't have deformed weights is the error.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on July 26, 2016, 08:00:55 AM
Didn't it occur to you that mesh has to be deformed by bones and thus have weights  (deformations)?

Hint: weights on mesh patented to Armature have to have vertex groups and weights that are > 0.0 (notblue)
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 26, 2016, 11:31:03 AM
The skeleton is only animated at the legs of the object. Does that make any difference concerning the rest of it that doesn't animate?
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: motorsep on July 26, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: doom3xbox on July 26, 2016, 11:31:03 AM
The skeleton is only animated at the legs of the object. Does that make any difference concerning the rest of it that doesn't animate?

While it might not animate anything else, mesh should have weights as if whole model will be animated.

That's why we keep suggesting to learn and understand character creation pipeline in Blender before even attempting to export into Doom 3.

You model mesh, then rig it (make bones and weights) in T-pose (or A-pose).  Then you can animate legs and torso separately, and export different anims.

Doom 3 takes md5mesh (mesh + bones) and then applies md5anims. Md5anims contain all bones, but only specific animation frames.

Blender's addon needs to export all bones, mesh and corresponding weights. So if you don't have weights set properly, it won't export. Even if it would export, Doom 3 wouldn't load model/anims or crash.
Title: Re: Anything about Doom a new user should know
Post by: doom3xbox on July 26, 2016, 12:14:17 PM
I tried another search on youtube, the only change I can see and what isn't in the one I'm editing, is that the examples on youtube have different colours of red, blue and green.

That was why i released the file for somebody to try it out for me. I just get fed up thinking about it.