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Title: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 07, 2016, 03:42:07 PM
http://www.moddb.com/games/doom-4/news/doom-update-5-changelog

Finally bots!
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 07, 2016, 10:14:01 PM
I wonder if they are human-like or just "here are the bots, shut up already".

I like how much stuff they release for SnapMap - one can make a single player / coop campaign that is closer to stock campaign. I am surprised this community hasn't done anything with it :(

I am a bit concerned with what happens after last DLC is released. I have a feeling they might do update number 6 (or not) and slowly fade support for Doom 2016 (I'd imagine they have to work on some other stuff, like Quake Champions or something else). Maybe they keep supporting it while they are working on DOOM VR?

I'd personally would love to see either remastered RAGE with proper ending and more boss fights, or RAGE 2 using id Tech 6.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: The Happy Friar on December 08, 2016, 08:15:51 PM
Still downloading update 5.  :)  When I delete the game I might never reinstall it again.  What is it now, 80+gb? That's a LONG time to download on 7mbs. :D

I'm eager to try the bots.  Would be a neat feature to be able to download snapmap maps & play them whenever you want vs always redownloading them.  Mario Builder lets you do that so you can play your favorite maps w/o being online.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 08, 2016, 11:19:33 PM
Eeh, why such slow internet ?

25Mbps down and 2Mbps up here in TX and that's actually regular plan. 35Mbps down and 7Mbps up is on my complimentary data plan for my smartphone.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: The Happy Friar on December 09, 2016, 06:26:25 AM
only places that get those speeds are high density populations & their immediately surrounding areas around here.  Lots of areas the best you get is dialup (unless you go satellite) & in my town cell service is spotty at best.  :)
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 09, 2016, 10:28:31 AM
Same here in TX. Only populated areas get more then 10mps.  :-\
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 09, 2016, 10:47:54 AM
During my trip today I'll stop in the middle of nowhere and do speed test for my 4G (that's if there will be 4G there). I'll let you know.

That should make you like Facebook, Google and Elon Musk for wanting to put drones in the sky to get you fast Internet access ;)
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: argoon on December 09, 2016, 02:09:19 PM
Eeh, why such slow internet ?

25Mbps down and 2Mbps up here in TX and that's actually regular plan. 35Mbps down and 7Mbps up is on my complimentary data plan for my smartphone.

Those days are behind me i used to have a 2Mbps down much less up, now i'm 100Mbps down and up with fiber and this on a very very small village (+-200 people) almost in the middle of nowhere, in Portugal, where cellphone coverage is very bad for example. :)
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: The Happy Friar on December 10, 2016, 09:04:48 PM
That should make you like Facebook, Google and Elon Musk for wanting to put drones in the sky to get you fast Internet access ;)

Never heard of that, but I think I'd have a lot more fun trying to shoot them down.  :D  i'd have to buy a big enough gun to get that high!  :)  All for research purposes.  :D
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Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 11, 2016, 09:42:32 PM
So, it seems that in TX situation with high speed Internet in the middle of nowhere is as bad as in NY, or even worse :(

Down stream was like 5Mbps and upstream wouldn't even start. That was 4G in the middle of nowhere :/
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 11, 2016, 09:48:34 PM
Those days are behind me i used to have a 2Mbps down much less up, now i'm 100Mbps down and up with fiber and this on a very very small village (+-200 people) almost in the middle of nowhere, in Portugal, where cellphone coverage is very bad for example. :)

One thing I noticed about US is how bad Internet in general is (and expensive) compare to EU/Russia. You'd think in US Internet would be top notch everywhere, but for example fiber isn't even accessible in TX. Google started implementing fiber in Austin, yet when I lived there, I had no idea what the coverage was - anywhere I inquired about it (affluent and less affluent areas) management said there was no access to Google Fiber. Total nonsense and I don't think Trump will make it any better  ::)
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: The Happy Friar on December 12, 2016, 06:19:17 AM
One thing I noticed about US is how bad Internet in general is (and expensive) compare to EU/Russia. You'd think in US Internet would be top notch everywhere, but for example fiber isn't even accessible in TX. Google started implementing fiber in Austin, yet when I lived there, I had no idea what the coverage was - anywhere I inquired about it (affluent and less affluent areas) management said there was no access to Google Fiber. Total nonsense and I don't think Trump will make it any better  ::)

Most of the US is empty across the whole country vs most other countries.  One guy I worked with from Poland said if it wasn't for Hitler decimating most of Europe & a good chunk of populated SU, Europe/Russia would have an infrastructure older then the US.  President Clinton claimed in '99 that all the US would have high speed broadband within 4 years and it still hasn't happened.  It's not worth the $$ to invest in.  Satellite would be the best option for non-direct line customers if the usage terms weren't so restrictive (I've been told it's getting better since I ditched it).

But, since ~1/3 to 1/2 of the US population is in metro areas, give them what they want & screw the other 95% of the landmass, that's what happened.  :)  From the stats I've read, ~85% of all US citizens have/user internet access in some way though, so the lack of faster then dialup isn't stopping usage.
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Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 13, 2016, 08:21:46 AM
We should raise more awareness about this issue. Trump will listen if people are asking for it. Not many people know about our sorry internet in this country when compared to others. That's probably why it hasn't been fixed.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 13, 2016, 10:01:29 AM
We should raise more awareness about this issue. Trump will listen if people are asking for it. Not many people know about our sorry internet in this country when compared to others. That's probably why it hasn't been fixed.

I am not sure whether I should lmao or rofl
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 13, 2016, 10:02:59 AM
What's to laugh at. Raising awareness would be the first step.

Oh wait a minute. Are you an anti-Trumper?
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 13, 2016, 10:54:01 AM
What's to laugh at. Raising awareness would be the first step.

Which has nothing to do with government.

Oh wait a minute. Are you an anti-Trumper?

Not anti-Trumper per se, but he is not qualified to run US, or any other country for that matter. Neither is Hillary.

Better Internet has nothing to do with government, but with tech empires such as Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc. They could have joined forces and made sure decent Internet is anywhere in US, not just major hubs.

Btw, Trump's team is incredibly unqualified to be the government.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 13, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
Oh and you know this from your years of involvement with the government right? I bet you got loads of experience to back up your beliefs right? Come back in 6 months to a year and if nothing good has come from this "unqualified" team I'll be right there beside you putting them down. That's not gonna happen though.  ;D

Raising awareness will help to get the government involved. And using the government to get corporations to make changes to benefit this country, like better wider spread internet, is the best thing we got right now. Trump has already got good changes for this country going. Carrier and Ford for example. Something could be done to get these tech empires on board. You just got to give them something they want. If we all voice what we want there's a better chance of it happening. Especially if the people at the top actually care. I believe Trump would. Especially if it makes a Clinton look like a failure.

I definitely want better internet in my area. The TX country side is not kind to internet users.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: bkt on December 14, 2016, 11:56:09 AM
What's to laugh at. Raising awareness would be the first step.

Oh wait a minute. Are you an anti-Trumper?
Are you a pro-Trumpeter?
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 14, 2016, 12:29:47 PM
I voted for Trump.

Couldn't let this country go socialist/communist.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 14, 2016, 01:27:50 PM
Couldn't let this country go socialist/communist.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 14, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
Obviously you're a sheep. Wake up. Get informed.

Seriously though let's get back on topic. Minds won't be changed about politics on a forum dedicated to modding.

Has anybody used any of the new content from this update? I have had zero time this week so far.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: argoon on December 15, 2016, 11:32:52 AM
I voted for Trump.

Couldn't let this country go socialist/communist.

Because you are so well informed tell me what is wrong with Socialism?

This is what i know of Socialism, it advocates to build a society based in the equality of opportunities and means for all individuals, socialism born because of bad capitalism, this one puts the power and money in the hands of a small few transforming a Society into have's and have's not, not because their lazy and don't want to work but because they never add any chance, Capitalism tries to monetize everything and manages human life based on money, this means they put money above all else, socialism tries to make essencial stuff to a society life "more or less free" like health care for example, they still think money is important but is not the end of everything.
Communism advocates the end of private property, capitalism/liberalism advocates the end of public property, socialism advocates the balance between private and public property, with this i fail to see what is bad about Socialism.

Perhaps you Americans have a diferente definition of Socialism that i don't know.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: aphexjh on December 15, 2016, 11:54:41 AM
Socialism, for americans, does not have the same meaning, since we have only implemented the mostly good parts of socialism (welfare programs, work programs, etc), while we had to read in history and watch on the news, as the effects of expanded and inneffective governments led to the suffering and death of the people that empowered the revolution to begin with. I think, for some americans socialism is an ideal worthy of pursuing,  while others fear the involvement of the government into more areas of their life.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 15, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
If socialism was so good why is nobody flocking to Socialist countries other then the Muslims? Why do Canadians and Mexicans come to the US to make a better life? It's because they know that if they work hard they can get what they want. If socialism is so good how come people in Canada come to the US when they need serious surgeries to be done? It's because doctors in Socialist countries get paid the same as a ditch digger so therefore the elite move to a country that will pay them according to their skills. Capitalism will always be the better deal for all seeing as how if you want to be rich all you have to do is bust your butt. Sure there will be people at the top. But it's because they worked hard to get there, or their family worked hard to get them there which there is nothing wrong with that. Greece fell because of Socialism. Venezuela fell because of Socialism. Communism comes from long term Socialism. It's garbage. Nothing wrong with putting money first when you can have as much as want depending on how hard you work.

And yes less government is better.

What country do you live in?
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: aphexjh on December 15, 2016, 12:04:32 PM
I am a fellow mars colonist, living on the red planet, like yourself.
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 15, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Cool. Mars forever!
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: argoon on December 15, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
If socialism was so good why is nobody flocking to Socialist countries other then the Muslims? Why do Canadians and Mexicans come to the US to make a better life? It's because they know that if they work hard they can get what they want. If socialism is so good how come people in Canada come to the US when they need serious surgeries to be done? It's because doctors in Socialist countries get paid the same as a ditch digger so therefore the elite move to a country that will pay them according to their skills. Capitalism will always be the better deal for all seeing as how if you want to be rich all you have to do is bust your butt. Sure there will be people at the top. But it's because they worked hard to get there, or their family worked hard to get them there which there is nothing wrong with that. Greece fell because of Socialism. Venezuela fell because of Socialism. Communism comes from long term Socialism. It's garbage. Nothing wrong with putting money first when you can have as much as want depending on how hard you work.

And yes less government is better.

What country do you live in?

If you think this
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Capitalism will always be the better deal for all seeing as how if you want to be rich all you have to do is bust your butt
is true then you are has a sheep has the ones you call sheep, plenty of people bust their butt all their life, trash their health and families and end dying in misery, i know cases in my own family, you know why? Because salaries are not just, if they where really based in how much you bust your butt them i would be rich by now and all my family, Capitalism is good for corrupts is just seeing who the most rich are, is not the ones that work the most or even the ones that study the most, is the ones that cheat the most, pay under the table the most, explore the misfortune of others the most, etc etc. We have a case here on my country where a blood bank was trashing our donors blood giving freely by volunteers with imported Blood (from America even) by paid donors, that is Capitalism at work right there people.
About government having more hand or not in the life's of people, i don't concur government should have plenty of power, i'm not a communist but i'm not a dummy also, i'm of the opinion that a government elected by the people in a free and democratic way, is the best for us, a private company (were people have no vote) where they have nothing but money/profit and power interestes in their mind, will be the best ones to work for the good of all the people, in this case they are no different from a fascist autocratic government.   

And if you have to know I'm from Portugal. 
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 15, 2016, 03:00:32 PM
Corruption is in every form of government. There's always somebody trying to get one over on the masses to make more money. So don't whine about Capitalism being the only form of corrupt government. Socialism is just a method to enact Communism once the crap hits the fan and chaos ensues. Socialism always leads to communism. Seeing as how Communism is the worst of the worst Socialism is nothing more then a tool to prepare and mold a country for Communism which is in no way good. If you're so into Socialism then take the phone or PC your typing on right now and go on down to your local donation center for the poor and hand it over. Because in Socialism nobody has more then the next guy. So if the poor lazy slob who made his own bed doesn't have a PC you shouldn't either with Socialism. But you know what, you're not gonna do that are you? You know why, because you worked for that phone or PC. And you feel like you deserve to have that phone or PC. You know what that's called? CAPITALISM

And when I say bust your butt I'm not talking about working 3 shifts down at the McDonalds 7 days a week. I'm talking about getting a career with good pay. Either by going to a University, or a trade school, or just by landing a good job with plenty of room to move up. Sorry you had family members that went no where in life even with hard work, but so did I. You know why? Because they didn't try hard enough. Heck I could be making way more money if I had worked harder on my schooling. But I was to busy wasting time on "friends", smoking weed, and partying in general. There's no excuse. We can't all be multi-millionaires or NBA superstars. But we can be the best that we can be because the opportunity is there. That's why it says in the Constitution that "all Men are created equal".
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 15, 2016, 03:40:55 PM
Meanwhile on the Umbral plains: https://bethesda.net/en/article/4hfSzAPpSwYCA0UY0GoWY2/doom-build-and-play-new-campaigns-in-snapmap
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 15, 2016, 04:15:27 PM
That was a good read. I really do need to spend more time with snapmap.

Can we have boss battles yet with the Cyberdemon or spider mastermind?
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: motorsep on December 16, 2016, 11:26:24 AM
That was a good read. I really do need to spend more time with snapmap.

Can we have boss battles yet with the Cyberdemon or spider mastermind?

Can we? I don't know.. Fire up SnapMap and find out ;)

I don't believe we can :(
Title: Re: Update 5
Post by: VGames on December 16, 2016, 03:27:26 PM
Like I said no time right now. But I don't think so either. I was hoping maybe that feature snuck passed me what with all the updates.