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Title: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 24, 2016, 04:02:24 PM
If anyone still cares for MP in DOOM, there is a new DLC http://doom.com/en-us/DLC

I want those pieces in SnapMap ;)
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 25, 2016, 08:13:09 AM
Saw that yesterday.  I was originally hoping it was SP DLC.

Being a Caco would be pretty cool though.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 25, 2016, 08:33:22 AM
From AMA on Reddit it sounds like either no SP DLC is planned or it is but they don't say or they are working on DOOM II :)

Also sounds like they will be releasing Lazarus Labs environments for SnapMap next.

So my bet is on them keep releasing stuff for SnapMap, refining SnapMap as mod hub, and using all that for DOOM II.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: VGames on October 25, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
I think they should stay away from releasing a brand new game for Doom 2. Why not just release it as a huge addon. I'd gladly pay $40 for another full DLC campaign with the same quality as Doom 2016. Heck maybe even $50. It would be best to keep it all on the same platform. Maybe do a little tweaking to the idtech 6 engine to make it look a bit better in Doom 2 and also have those changes affect Doom as well. I see no reason to do the Call of Duty/Madden method of sequels. The amount of content they've put out has been successful for them. Doing this too could start something new in the market. People would buy it for sure.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 25, 2016, 10:38:04 AM
Not really see relevancy. Doom/Doom2/Doom3 was ok, but in 2016 making DOOM 2 is not ?!

They can re-use most content and add new content, update engine, add more enemies, etc. I'd certainly buy it. What's the difference buying DLC with new levels for like $40 and whole brand new DOOM 2 for $60 ? (assuming they will continue unfolding Doom Slayer story)

Although I think it would be a good idea to wait 10 more years for DOOM 2 and make RAGE 2 meanwhile ;)

This way people will miss DOOM and will be super happy with DOOM 2 :)

Or they can use what they worked on for DOOM 4 and make DOOM of DUTY ! I'd play that too :D
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: VGames on October 25, 2016, 11:04:34 AM
I see your point. But anything having to do with the Doom Slayer should be DLC. I see no reason why they can't keep adding to this game. Show what happens after the cliffhanger in Doom and go into Doom 2 eventually with DLC. If they're releasing Doom 2 in the next year it shouldn't be a separate game since it's just gonna use the same engine anyways with a few graphical enhancements. I don't want id going all CoD with the Doom franchise. Now if it's gonna be released in like 5 to 10 years then yeah I can get on board with a standalone Doom 2 because you know it's gonna have all new content and more then likely a new engine. But if not then give us a new game from a different IP like you said.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 25, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Classic Doom and Doom 2 had exact same engine, same content + new content, each cost $50 back in 90s and it wasn't a big deal. I still don't see your point rejecting Doom 2 in 2017/2018 as a standalone game.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 25, 2016, 09:26:14 PM
I don't want it to be a DLC because my Doom folder has already gone up from 50gb on release to 70gb.  Add another 50gb for another "full SP DLC" and next time I want to play doom in a year or two I'll be waiting two or three weeks to download!  :)

I do like that the keep up on Snapmap.  I still want Doom/D2 style MP, not what they have now, but can't make everybody happy.  :)
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 25, 2016, 11:06:23 PM
I do like that the keep up on Snapmap.  I still want Doom/D2 style MP, not what they have now, but can't make everybody happy.  :)

Isn't new Free For All kinda similar to old Doom DM ? (I still don't know if they allow not having loadouts in that mode)
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 26, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
No loadouts & only pickups is what I'm referring to.  I like that style better.  Talking to a guy at work who's younger & starting playing MP with Halo 1, he agrees that loadouts aren't necessarily as fun to play as pickups only.  So it's not just a crazy Doom fanboy who says it too. :)
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 26, 2016, 05:21:59 PM
No loadouts & only pickups is what I'm referring to.  I like that style better.  Talking to a guy at work who's younger & starting playing MP with Halo 1, he agrees that loadouts aren't necessarily as fun to play as pickups only.  So it's not just a crazy Doom fanboy who says it too. :)

So just to be clear, you tried new update and FFA DM and there is no option to turn off loadouts ?
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 26, 2016, 10:19:14 PM
Not yet, download just finished yesterday.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 26, 2016, 10:29:40 PM
Just tried.  Doesn't seem to be a way to turn off loadouts & I can't make custom ones any more?  Or is that because I automatically joined a game in progress?
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 27, 2016, 08:02:34 AM
Most likely because you joined.

I'd expect that to be a server setting.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 27, 2016, 09:07:12 AM
They must not allow you to join the server of your choice then?  I was under the impression they let you choose servers now.  I clicked "join" and it auto selected and ~10 seconds later loaded me in.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 27, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
They must not allow you to join the server of your choice then?  I was under the impression they let you choose servers now.  I clicked "join" and it auto selected and ~10 seconds later loaded me in.

Well, that still doesn't change the fact that servers might be setup to have loadouts. If you host your own server, you could probably turn off loadouts. I am just speculating here :)

You can tweet at doom and at idSoftware, and pitch that classic DM idea :) Sometimes they actually reply.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 27, 2016, 10:26:17 AM
I just asked on Discord DOOM chat if it's possible to play DM without loadouts and ppl said yes, but only through SnapMap.

You can make DM map for MP mode, and host server with that map. And you'll have good ol' classic Doom DM experience.

DOOM SnapMap is kinda like UE4 to my understanding. Start SnapMap, use multiplayer template and build on that. Then send invites to your friends to play it with you. 4 people max.

That's the only way to play classic DM right now.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: VGames on October 27, 2016, 11:55:40 AM
I bet they'll eventually add a mode/option for that classic gameplay. You're not the only one who wants it. I see it regularly posted at various forums. People want to play without loadouts. The problem I see is having to go through all the maps and strategically place weapons. Testing would be needed.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 27, 2016, 01:51:09 PM
Ok, snapmap then.  cool.  Thanks motorsep.

I read on the steam forums people complaining every weapon is overpowered.  I don't read much anymore about wanting non-CoD style MP any more.  :(
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: motorsep on October 27, 2016, 01:53:25 PM
I don't play (any of) CoDs, so I have no clue what they have going on in MP or SP there :)

Classic Doom weapons were pretty powerful as far as I remember, so I don't know why people complain
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: VGames on October 27, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
The weapons are fine. You can stomp anybody with any weapon as long as you know it very well.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 27, 2016, 09:04:09 PM
I don't play (any of) CoDs, so I have no clue what they have going on in MP or SP there :)

I guess the newer Halo/CoD's have the same MP setup as Doom: loadouts, strong weapons as pickup only, temp upgrades, etc.

The weapons are fine. You can stomp anybody with any weapon as long as you know it very well.

I'm guessing that's the problem: people don't like losing.  :)
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: VGames on October 28, 2016, 08:06:00 AM
Exactly. I'm sure I piss off people when I'm running around combat shotgunning like a noob. But you know what I really don't care because I'm usually always in the top 3 and I get lots of kills.  O0
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 28, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
Yeah, dog.  :p
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: VGames on October 28, 2016, 11:58:11 AM
Yeah, dog.  :p

LOL Awesome.

The BFG is definitely not nerfed in Doom. When I get that sucker I feel invincible. Until I'm out of ammo of course. Then it's back to combat shotgunning while hopping around like a crackhead on gymnastics.
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: The Happy Friar on October 28, 2016, 01:14:00 PM
Unless it's been added in the past couple months, I don't remember the BFG in Doom MP.  Is that the ultimate nerf?  :)

id should do an April 1st joke of making all the guns the exact same damage and see if people notice.  :)  Aww heck, do it right now! :D
Title: Re: DOOM new multiplayer DLC #2 is out
Post by: VGames on October 28, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
Yeah BFG is in Doom. Its a special pickup item. You can see through walls with using its secondary fire mode. Its awesome. Would like to see that feature in the singleplayer mode.